Courtship meets real-life

Jordan Liggitt & Ashley Bastic

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Premises

Our background & circumstances

Common

Jordan's

Ashley's

Our background & circumstances

Good things

  • Ashley's father (THE AUTHORITY) was close by
  • Courtship was very much a part of our church's culture
  • We've had similar worldviews for many years
  • Neither of us had been in a romantic relationship before
  • Both in a place in life where marriage made sense

Challenges

  • Jordan's parents were not as close by
  • Ashley's parents' divorce
  • Neither of us had been in a romantic relationship before

Before we began

Jordan's self-evaluation

  • Character
    • Am I currently focused on pursuing God and His purposes?
    • Is there visible spiritual fruit in my life?
    • Is there unconfessed or habitual sin in my life?
    • Am I currently submitting myself to my authorities?
    • Is my life open to correction and input from others?
    • Am I looking for ways to serve the people I am around now?
    • Are my spiritual disciplines established enough to lead a wife?
    • Am I fulfilling my current responsibilities in a consistent and godly way?
  • Life position
    • Are there other commitments that need to be considered along with marriage?
    • Can I support a wife (and potentially children in the near future)?

Before we began

Jordan's evaluation of Ashley

  • Character
    • Gentle, quiet spirit (1 Peter 3)
    • Submissive (to father, pastor, etc)
    • Compassionate
    • Noble character (Proverbs 31)
    • Industrious (Proverbs 31)
    • Has strength, dignity, wisdom (Proverbs 31)
    • Faithful instruction on tongue (Proverbs 31)
    • Fears the Lord (Proverbs 31)

Before we began

Jordan's evaluation of us as a couple

  • Doctrinal compatibility
  • Life goals compatibility
    • Family, children, child-rearing, home schooling
    • Evangelism, missions
    • Music, worship
    • Hospitality
  • Personality/Interests compatibility

Before we began

Resolved: This relationship must...

  • ...bring glory to God
  • ...determine if marriage is what God has for us
  • ...not detract from our marriages to our future spouses
  • ...benefit Ashley, spiritually and emotionally
  • ...be submitted to our spiritual authorities
  • ...be placed within the context of church and family
  • ...be characterized by male leadership
  • ...not compromise us physically or emotionally
  • ...be accompanied by clear communication about the goals, direction, and state of the relationship

Beginning

What Jordan did

  • Observed Ashley (first as a friend, then purposefully)
  • Engaged Ashley in group settings
  • Prayed (for wisdom, patience, and for Ashley)
  • Fasted
  • Got counsel (parents, pastor, homegroup leader, one friend)
  • Talked with her father (before talking to her)
  • Waited... waited... waited...
  • Jumped around the house when her father called
  • Talked with Ashley, laid out expectations for courtship

Beginning

What Ashley did

  • Observed Jordan (just as a friend)
  • Responded to Jordan in group settings
  • Ignored friends who said Jordan was interested in her
  • Was approached by her father (out of the blue)
  • Danced around the house
  • Prayed
  • Got counsel (her father, homegroup leader, one friend)
  • Responded to her father
  • Listened to Jordan babble about courtship

Beginning

Good things

  • Scripture- and character-based evaluation
  • Jordan initiated the process
  • Ashley was patiently waiting
  • Process went completely through her father
  • Few assumptions made or emotions deeply invested

Challenges

  • Finding contexts to talk, without revealing my intentions
  • Talking to her father without her knowledge was HARD
  • Miscommunication about Ashley accepting Jordan's advances

Continuing

Time together

  • Much more communication (email, phone, in person)
  • Spent more time "alone" in groups
  • Some time together on dates
  • Began learning more about each other
  • Lots of questions about all sorts of things
  • Activities together (Bible study, movies, game nights, home improvement, State Fair, prayer)

Continuing

Good things

  • Got to know each other without an emotional commitment
  • Matched time demands on each other to level of relationship
  • Spent time serving each other and serving together
  • Intentionally avoided becoming reclusively exclusive

Challenges and mistakes

  • Jordan didn't initiate communication consistently, early on
  • Jordan was selfish with his time in several situations
  • Ashley didn't always point out behaviors that were offensive, or bring up personal preferences, even when asked
  • Regular time together didn't happen at first

Continuing

Physical boundaries

  • Grew as friends, guarded the purity of our bodies
  • Treated each other with holiness, honored one another
  • Pretty strict standards (didn't even hold hands for months)
  • Know why, rather than what
    • Arbitrary limits will bend or break when pushed
    • Keep the focus on what is to be gained, rather than what is restricted

Continuing

Good things

  • Very limited physical involvement kept emotions more stable
  • Focus was on our friendship, not on the boundaries

Challenges and mistakes

  • Expectations (hand-holding, etc) weren't fully discussed
  • Jordan didn't replace this area with other signs of care
  • We didn't make the boundaries we had set known to others for accountability purposes until later
  • Seeing other couples with different boundaries was difficult
  • Made "arm around the shoulder" pictures awkward
  • Our parents were not really involved in setting boundaries

Continuing

Spiritual involvement

  • Prayer
    • Regularly prayed together and apart
    • Prayed for each other and our courtship
    • Prayed for God's direction, guidance, and wisdom
    • Shared other prayer needs with each other
  • Study / Discussion
    • Went through a book study at church together
    • Shared what God was showing us individually in our quiet times
    • Loaned books back and forth
    • Went through marriage/courtship books with others
    • Asked questions about scripture we were reading, sermons we'd listened to
    • Discussed situations at work and at home with each other

Continuing

Good things

  • Drew much encouragement from prayer time together
  • Gained different perspectives on issues discussed
  • Confirmed much of what we had observed about each other

Challenges

  • Learning to include another person in our prayer lives
  • Jordan had to learn to initiate spontaneous "group" prayer
  • Remembering to communicate what we were thinking

Continuing

Role of family

  • Received counsel from parents, but mostly individually
  • Jordan met with Ashley's father fairly regularly
  • Our families were able to get together some
  • Met with Jordan's parents, but sporadically
  • Spent more time with Ashley's family, sometimes just at church
  • Went on camping trip with some of Ashley's family
  • Spent holidays with each others' families

Continuing

Good things

  • Jordan pointed Ashley to her father as her primary authority
  • Ashley was very submissive to her father
  • Parents provided good insight at all junctures
  • Different sides of our personalities emerged around family

Challenges and mistakes

  • Jordan was inconsistent at communicating with his parents
  • Time with Jordan's parents was rare, and sometimes felt uncomfortable (especially early on), because their relationship with Ashley was getting pushed very fast
  • Ashley's parents' divorce complicated some gatherings

Continuing

Role of spiritual authorities

  • Sought counsel of our church leaders during courtship
  • The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice - Proverbs 12:15
  • Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed - Proverbs 15:22

Specific counsel

Don't discuss things that presume you'll be spending your lives together. Find out what you both think about various topics, but don't "make plans".
Looking back, we took this too far

Continuing

Mission trip to Mexico

Good things

  • Great chance to see each other serve
  • Each served in different ways, with different gifts
  • We saw how the other handled stressful situations
  • Jordan got sick, Ashley nursed him back to health

Challenges

  • Couldn't serve together much, since the week was so busy
  • The orphanage asked us to not be a couple during the week

Finishing

Thoughts turn to feelings...

  • A few months in, we worried about the emotional component
  • There was fear that we would proceed on logical/rational grounds, and the emotional attachment would not develop
  • After counsel from parents, we relaxed a little (A LITTLE!) emotionally with each other, not to the point of emotional commitment, but to the point of emotional involvement
  • Tricky transition, only done when other signs were a go
  • As soon as we relaxed, emotions began to develop, which was encouraging, but made it much more difficult to keep emotions and assumptions reigned in
  • Prayer, counsel, and communication were vital here
  • Within weeks, God was leading us to marriage

Finishing

Good things

  • The emotional side of our relationship happened last, not first
  • We had time to evaluate our relationship more objectively
  • Parents had lots of input at this juncture
  • Emotions were encouraged, subject to counsel and wisdom

Challenges and mistakes

  • We are both analytical, so this was a weakness for us both
  • Emotions were almost thought of as wrong
  • There were a few weeks where this aspect was in limbo
  • Jordan should have considered how to approach this before

Finishing

Last steps

  • Within weeks, the courtship became untenable
  • Even then, the relationship could have ended with integrity
  • But not for long... and that was scary...
    • Jordan: Pray for me, if you would, when you have a moment
      Brad: What's up?
      Jordan: To devolve into nerdish language for a moment, I feel like this week is the inflection point of our relationship, and I'm not sure if we're an inverted parabola or an x3 function, but I need to decide soon what I'm going to do
      Brad: tis true
      Jordan: We're treading on the point where if this doesn't go to marriage, one or both of us will get hurt. That's a scary point for me.
  • It was both our desire that the courtship proceed to marriage, but circumstances were an issue for about a month

Finishing

Good things

  • Jordan submitted even this stage to our parents' authority (getting their blessing before proposing)
  • Jordan waited for "holiday blush" to fade before proposing (on Jordan's dad's counsel)

Challenges and mistakes

  • Jordan knew his own thoughts, but Ashley didn't, so it was difficult for Ashley to have patience during the last month
  • Jordan should have communicated about the direction of the courtship more specifically during the last month
  • Two couples who were close friends got engaged during the last month, which added to the emotional soup

Summary

Good things

  • Seeking counsel, being open to correction
  • Establishing a lot of common ground, enjoying the process

Challenges

  • Communication (in both directions)
  • Objectivity vs. emotions

Advice

  • Involve a few people early and often
  • Have a clear picture of the overall process before you begin
  • Be patient with each stage before progressing

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